What (Some) of the Cardinals are Saying

by CNS · May 2, 2025

Cardinals concelebrate Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican on April 29, 2025, on the fourth day of the “novendiali” – nine days of mourning for Pope Francis marked by Masses. (CNS photo/Chris Warde-Jones)

By Carol Glatz, CNS – As members of the College of Cardinals head most days to the Vatican’s New Synod Hall for their pre-conclave meetings, scores of reporters and camera operators rush toward them in a wave seeking information about the closed-door deliberations and insight into what they are looking for in a pope.

Speaking to reporters on April 29, Cardinal Louis Sako, the Iraq-based patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church, said the atmosphere among the cardinals is “fraternal and sincere.”

Cardinal Jorge Jiménez Carvajal, the 83-year-old retired archbishop of Cartagena, Colombia, said there was “a great spirit of communion” even with the expression of many different opinions.

Cardinal John Ribat of Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea, 68, said the atmosphere was “free, welcoming” with everyone being open to one another.

Cardinal Sako said there is a sense of responsibility “in finding someone who continues Francis’ efforts.” Asked to comment on the April 28 homily of Cardinal Baldassare Reina, who said the church cannot go backward, and whether this was the right direction for the church, Cardinal Sako said, “For me it is.”

Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, retired archbishop of Vienna, 80, also agreed with the homily’s message and said, “We are always moving forward. Do not be afraid.”

Salvadoran Cardinal Gregorio Rosa Chávez, 82, retired auxiliary bishop of San Salvador, said there is a sense that the church needs to be a kind of “utopia” where there is room “for everyone: ‘todos, todos, todos.”

The next pope could be a surprise, he said, just as Pope Francis was a surprise for most.

As the cardinals each get a turn to say what they see happening in the church and the world, and what they would like to see happen, Cardinal Rosa said the late pope made those priorities “very clear” in his brief final testament: the need for world peace and brotherhood among peoples.

Cardinal Ribat said the next pope should be “open to all,” but there should also be “a way of kind of controlling, not in a bad way, but in a way that keeps everyone together and unites everyone and to journey together in that way.”

So far most of the cardinals who have spoken at the general congregation have been from Europe, he added.

Nearly three-quarters of the 135 cardinal electors — 99 of them — were elevated to the college by Pope Francis. Fifty-two of them were named in the last three years, and 20 were named less than five months ago. There are a total of 252 cardinals in the whole college.

That means the cardinals have also spent the first six general congregation meetings trying to get to know each other better, Cardinal Rosa said. “We don’t know each other yet.”

Nonetheless, he and Cardinal Sako said they expect the conclave to be brief and last two to three days. While not revealing a name, Cardinal Sako said he already had a “very clear” idea of who he intended to vote for.

Contributing to this story was Justin McLellan at the Vatican.