Regina Mundi Jubilee – Archbishop Buti Tlhagale’s homily

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  1. P.R.Margeot says:

    One can not agree more with the Archbishop. To further smoothen the transition of Regina Mundi from its turbulent past and some excesses, one may suggest that there is one important thing that could well be the balm, the cement, the blessing, the future, the happiness, the balancing, the glory , the hope of Regina Mundi : and that would be the Old Mass, the Mass of all time (M.O.A.T.).

    One does hope and pray that the mass is already available in that church and if not, one would encourage and implore the Archbishop to implement the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum so that that treasure of all time, that jewel in crown of the Church, the Tridentine Mass would be freely available to all , as the pope asked in 2007.

    But more importantly, the people of Regina Mundi would be uplifted and blessed as never before as that mass would unify all peoples. It also sanctify the faithful as it has done for many, many centuries.

    Besides it is also a real moat…a protection of the Church.

  2. Vincent Couling says:

    As regards the so-called MOAT, I far prefer the thinking of the great theological mind of Cardinal Martini (see ) to that of PRM and his SSPX colleagues.

    I post the next link below to avoid having this post suspended in the limbo of “moderation” …

  3. Vincent Couling says:

    We read in the article :

    “After Pope Benedict eased restrictions on the celebration of the pre-Vatican II liturgy in 2007, Cardinal Martini wrote a newspaper column explaining why, even though he loved the Latin language and could even preach in Latin, he would not celebrate the old Mass.

    He said he admired Pope Benedict “benevolence” in allowing Catholics “to praise God with ancient and new forms” by permitting wider use of the 1962 form of the Mass, but his experience as a bishop had convinced him of the importance of a common liturgical prayer to express Catholics’ unity of belief.

    The cardinal also said the reformed liturgy that came out of the Second Vatican Council marked “a real step forward” in nourishing Catholics “with the word of God, offered in a much more abundant way than before,” with a much larger selection of Scripture readings.”

  4. Vincent Couling says:

    A moat is a defensive ditch surrounding an enclave, sometimes filled with water. I am greatly saddened that some would think of the Church as an enclave separate from the world! This circling-of-the-wagons type thinking is antithetical to the spirit of the Second Vatican Council, which called for an opening of windows, a letting in of fresh air, a dialogue with the world. It is also antithetical to the Gospel … Jesus dined with sinners, sought them out … and tended to avoid the (self-?)righteous pharisees! Food for thought, eh!

    Thank God for prelates of the calibre of Cardinal Martini. Now that he has gone to his eternal rest, we realise how few intellectuals or visionaries are left among our hierarchs, many of whom, some would argue, seem to be “company men”.

  5. P.R.Margeot says:

    The Vatican Council II produced an amazing crop of people who see the world through pink glasses. These people are mainly liberals, progressives, and even revolutionaries. They had their golden opportunity, the chance of a few centuries, maybe, who knows, to experiment, innovate, change, ruthlesslessly suppress, introduce plenty of fresh air through windows which were opened while a cyclone was approaching…

    A tree is judged by its fruits. I for one do not see the marvellous fruits on the conciliar tree. I see calamity, disasters, loss of Faith, general apostasy, empty seminaries, very few nuns, hardly any Brothers(remember the Marist Brothers: great workers, great achievers), vocations less and less…I also see the faithful receiving the Host standing, in the hands( what a sacrilege that is), I see ladies immodestly dressed, I hear chatting in the church, I see very few genuflexions, I see the priest giving his back to the tabernacle….O.K. o.k. I know , it’s not important some would say, the Lord has a broad mind, He understands, He loves us, He does not mind the abuses, the sacrileges, the excesses, the lack of respect in His house,many of the faithful receiving communion without going to confession, or neglecting confession for months and months and yet happily go to communion every sunday. Remember: the Lord has abroad mind…

    Most and nearly all of the council Fathers have died, we remember that the council was their baby so to speak. There are many Bishops nowadays who were born after the council and they will be the ones who will start having a good look at the fruits they have inherited. They have already. Many priests, the younger ones, are going back to that M.O.A.T.precisely. They feel instinctively drawn to the sacred liturgy , to what was around for centuries and centuries: the Mass of St Pius V, the Tridentine Mass, indeed the mass of all.time.

    I say again that that mass was indeed a moat, or like a moat, which protects and guards the Church. Those wearing pink glasses and who see the world as a friendly place, full of good , gentle people, who see no threat at all to the Holy Church, who see no persecution at all towards Catholics and Christians generally, who have placed the Church on the same level as man-made ‘churches’ and denominations, well, they should wake up….Soon they may run in circles looking for a good priest to confess their sins.

    St Pius X, pray for us (his feast was celebrated yesterday, the 3rd september).

  6. Vincent Couling says:

    Perhaps it’s preferable to don rose-tinted specs than blinkers … ?

  7. Vincent Couling says:

    Incidentally, Cardinal Martini had a very different explanation for the rot PRM loves to opine about …


    “[Cardinal] Martini’s frank posthumous interview, published in the Milan daily Corriere della Sera on Saturday following his death the previous day aged 85: “The Church is 200 years out of date,” he declared to the interviewer, a fellow Jesuit priest, last month. “Our churches are big, our religious houses empty, the Church bureaucracy is growing and our rites and vestments are pompous.

    “The Church must admit its mistakes and begin a radical change, starting from the pope and the bishops,” said Martini, one of the last outspoken progressive prelates left among a Church leadership that has turned increasingly traditional.

    But the renowned Biblical scholar was also a loyal and respected son of the Church to the end. Tributes poured in for him from Pope Benedict and the Roman hierarchy, despite his calls over the years for them to be more open and audacious.

    Tens of thousands of the faithful paid him their last respects over the weekend as he lay in state in the cathedral of Milan, where he was archbishop from 1980 to 2002.


    Catholic media across Europe stressed Martini’s role as a respected cardinal who dared tackle sensitive issues with an openmindedness rarely found in the Vatican’s corridors of power.

    “He was undoubtedly more open … but it wasn’t his role to mount the barricades,” said the Belgian Catholic weekly Tertio.

    “Many would like to see Martini as the ‘enfant terrible’ of the Catholic Church, a man who wandered on the outskirts of doctrine, and possibly even beyond doctrine, touching on heresy,” wrote the Polish Catholic weekly Tygodnik Powszechny.

    “There were even those who searched for this in his words and thoughts,” it said. But he “rather tried to formulate within the Church the questions that he was asked outside of it.”

    This led him to say condoms could help fight AIDS, women should be ordained deacons and civil unions for homosexual couples could be accepted. He also said the growing number of divorced and remarried Catholics should not longer be excluded from receiving the Eucharist.

    Like Benedict, Martini was born in 1927 and made a career in academic research and teaching before being promoted to head a major archdiocese. Both initially supported the 1960s reforms.

    The future pope spent only five years in Munich before moving to Rome in 1982 as the Vatican’s doctrinal chief, a post he used to reassert conservative positions against the liberal experimentation that followed Vatican II.

    Martini ran Milan for 22 years, building a wide following in Italy and abroad as the leading voice of a progressive loyal opposition to the return to more orthodoxy stated by John Paul and accelerated by Benedict.


    At a Synod of Bishops in 1999, he even made a veiled call for a Third Vatican Council to give local bishops more leeway and “to loosen doctrinal and disciplinary knots that reappear periodically as sore points in the Church.”

    But the conservative prelates promoted by John Paul, especially the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, were more concerned with undoing some of the previous council’s reforms than creating new ones with a third Church world summit.

    So when it came to elect a successor to John Paul in 2005, Martini entered the conclave as the sentimental favourite of a minority wing that had little hope of besting Ratzinger, who was elected after only two days of voting.

    By that time, he was also too ill with Parkinson’s disease to be a credible candidate, a fact made clear when he showed up for the vote in the Vatican’s Sistine Chapel using a cane.

    Martini was so popular in Italy that Corriere della Sera urged Benedict to come to Milan to lead his funeral as a gesture “for the unity of Catholics.” It would have been a bold step, especially after Martini’s interview in the same newspaper.

    But popes rarely make such grand gestures and the Vatican announced that a senior cardinal would represent Benedict there. (Reporting By Tom Heneghan; Editing by Jon Boyle)”

  8. P.R.Margeot says:

    I knew it, I knew it :: The cardinal in question would have been favourable to 1) condoms, 2) ordination of women, and(wait, you guessed) the ‘marriage’ of gays.

    THAT makes him a hero of the progressives/liberals. So it is easy : one has to scratch a little to find the truth and the agenda of readers.

    The readers will decide whether the conclave did well in 2005 in electing Pope Benedict XVI. Do we have any doubt that Providence watches over the Holy Church ? That’s why we can sleep soundly at night : the devil has will be vanquished and thrown back where he belongs.

    St Michael, pray for us while this mess is being actively sorted out.

  9. Vincent Couling says:

    A nuanced position is wasted on the blinkered, for they will almost inevitably read what they want (and usually the very worst) into such nuance. And so, we have PRMs silly little attempt to try and claim that Cardinal Martini was favourable to condoms (in a sweeping way – rather than in a nuanced way under very particular circumstances), that he was favourable to the ordination of women (again in a sweeping way – whereas he was asking about the ordination of women deacons … hardly an “innovation,” but rather a request for a restoration of early Church praxis), and that he was favourable towards the marriage of gays … whereas all he spoke about (in a very nuanced way) were gay civil unions (in the civil realm, as opposed to sacramental marriages in a Catholic Church).

    I reiterate, such nuance is wasted on the blinkered.

    As regards contemporary issues, most thinking Catholics seem to realise that each particular case is different, with its own particular nuances and peculiarities. And so the idea of being “liberal” or “conservative” is moot for a thinking Catholic! Thinking Catholics do not follow particular ideologies … no! They consider each individual case on its merits, bringing both faith and reason to bear on a particular case, and examining the nuances in as fine a detail as is humanly possible.

    Thinking Catholics, even those who wear rose-tinted spectacles, simply refuse to wear blinkers. They insist on thinking for themselves, on owning doctrine for themselves by thinking it through carefully and wisely, on honouring their intrinsic inner authority (which flows from the reality of being created in the Image and Likeness of God, and from being Temples of the Holy Spirit) … they rely on their own powers of discernment, often seeking out as many ideas about a topic as they can find, looking to the official church teaching as well as to the insights of many others before jumping to a knee-jerk conclusion.

    And thinking Catholics are open to the continued possibility of fresh insights, new knowledge, an ever-expanding maturity of seeing and knowing. Which can mean development of doctrine … and thank God for thinking Catholics, because it has meant often substantial development of doctrine during the 2 millennia history of the Church!

    The evidence tells us that Cardinal Martini was indeed a thinking Catholic. Many thinking Catholics yearn for the appointment of a few more hierarchs with talents and skills commensurate with those of the likes of Cardinal Martini!

  10. Vincent Couling says:

    Here is the translated final interview with Cardinal Martini, taken from

    Translated final interview with Martini
    by John L Allen Jr on Sep. 04, 2012 NCR Today

    Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini died in Varese, northern Italy, on Aug. 31 at the age of 85. Two weeks earlier, on Aug. 8, Martini gave a final interview to his fellow Jesuit Fr. George Sporschill, with whom Martini had collaborated on a book titled Nocturnal Conversations in Jerusalem, and an Italian friend named Federica Radice Fossati Confalonieri. Radice has told Italian media outlets that Martini read and approved the text of the interview, intending it as a sort of “spiritual testament” to be published after his death.

    The following is an NCR translation of the interview published in Italian by the newspaper Corriere della Sera.

    How do you see the situation of the church?

    The church is tired, in the Europe of well-being and in America. Our culture has become old, our churches and our religious houses are big and empty, the bureaucratic apparatus of the church grows, our rites and our dress are pompous. Do these things, however, express what we are today? … Well-being weighs on us. We find ourselves like the rich young man who went away sad when Jesus called him to be his disciple. I know that we can’t let everything go easily. At least, however, we can seek people who are free and closest to their neighbor, like Archbishop Romero and the Jesuit martyrs of El Salvador. Where are the heroes among us who can inspire us? By no means do we have to limit them by the boundaries of the institution.

    Who can help the church today?

    Father Karl Rahner often used the image of the embers hidden under the ash. I see in the church today so much ash under the embers that often I’m hit with a sense of impotence. How can we liberate the embers from the ash, to reinvigorate the fires of love? For the first thing, we have to seek out these embers. Where are the individuals full of generosity, like the Good Samaritan? Who have faith like the Roman centurion? Who are enthusiastic like John the Baptist? Who dare the new, like Paul? Who are faithful like Mary Magdalene? I advise the Pope and the bishops to seek out twelve people outside the lines for administrative positions, people who are close to the poorest, who are surrounded by young people, and who try new things. We need to be with people who burn in such a way that the Spirit can spread itself everywhere.

    What tools do you recommend against the exhaustion of the church?

    I recommend three very strong ones. The first is conversion: the church must recognize its errors and follow a radical path of change, beginning with the pope and the bishops. The pedophilia scandals compel us to take up a path of conversion. Questions about sexuality, and all the themes involving the body, are an example. These are important to everyone, sometimes perhaps too important. We have to ask ourselves if people still listen to the advice of the church on sexual matters. Is the church still an authoritative reference in this field, or simply a caricature in the media?

    The second is the Word of God. Vatican II gave the Bible back to Catholics. Only those who perceive this Word in their heart can be part of those who will help achieve renewal of the church, and who will know how to respond to personal questions with the right choice. The Word of God is simple, and seeks out as its companion a heart that listens. … Neither the clergy nor ecclesiastical law can substitute for the inner life of the human person. All the external rules, the laws, the dogmas, are there to clarify this internal voice and for the discernment of spirits.

    Who are the sacraments for? These are the third tool of healing. The sacraments are not an instrument of discipline, but a help for people in their journey and in the weaknesses of their life. Are we carrying the sacraments to the people who need new strength? I think of all the divorced and remarried couples, to extended families. They need special protection. The church upholds the indissolubility of matrimony. It’s a grace when a marriage and a family succeed …

    The attitude we hold towards extended families determines the ability of the church to be close to their children. A woman, for instance, is abandoned by her husband and finds a new companion, who takes care of her and her three children. This second love succeeds. If this family is discriminated against, not only is the mother cut out [from the church] but also her children. If the parents feel like they’re outside the church, and don’t feel its support, the church will lose the future generation.

    Before communion, we pray: “Lord, I am not worthy …’ We know we’re not worthy … Love is a grace. Love is a gift. The question of whether the divorced can receive communion ought to be turned around. How can the church reach people who have complicated family situations, bringing them help with the power of the sacraments?

    What do you do personally?

    The church is 200 years behind the times. Why doesn’t it stir? Are we afraid? Is it fear rather than courage? In any event, the faith is the foundation of the church. Faith, trust, courage. I’m old and sick, and I depend on the help of others. Good people around me make me feel their love. This love is stronger than the sentiment of distrust that I feel every now and then with regard to the church in Europe. Only love defeats exhaustion. God is love. Now I have a question for you: What can you do for the church?

  11. P.R.Margeot says:

    Truth will come out
    Truth and error do not mix

  12. Vincent Couling says:

    “Truth will come out” … I couldn’t agree more!

  13. P.R.Margeot says:

    Truth and error do not mix